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Post by limjamrace on Jul 10, 2009 12:05:35 GMT
Yes ..This is a correct way of thinking!
The 1040 is a service overbore for a worn engine (+60)anyway!
Who is going to reliner their blocks just for the sake of 100/1000!
I did mention somewhere that ..say Fiat 1050 blocks to be allowed providing not overbored. ie standard OEM .
Imp blocks are to be allowed service overbore!
This would help competititors rather than exclude potential grids!
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Post by racingclan1 on Jul 10, 2009 18:33:53 GMT
Sorry but I have to disagree. The proposal is for a 1 litre historic sports and saloons series.
I'll admit it seems a good argument but in my many years of being involved in racing series organization, as well as racing, it's one I've heard many times before. I'm only a novice and I won't be quick as it'll not make any difference. Well that's a load of bull****. I've raced using both 998 and 1040 engines and I can assure you that there is a considerable difference. If there wasn't there would be no reason to go to 1040.
How do you decide who is a novice? If you let one person outside of the regulations you have to forget the regulations.
Also, I believe MSA regulations do not allow cars to compete in a non point scoring capacity.
I'm sorry if my reply seems blunt but I see no point in having a series specifically for 1 litre cars if it is proposed to make exceptions. I've seen it done before and it just leads to unrest and bad feeling.
If you've got an 875 and a 1040 and you genuinely want to compete I'd recommend starting with the 875 to get the experience you need. Then if you decide that you want to continue you could upgrade to a 998 using your 1040 as a donor. Effectively you will require new liners for the block, or a new block preparing, and a set of pistons with the crank, rods and head from the 1040 being used. If you went for a new block, or you existing 875 block, then you would have the 1040 block and pistons to sell to recoup some of the cost.
If you decide, and I admit that it's unlikely, that racing is not for you then you are in the same position as when you started by having an 875 and 1040 engine.
Pete Richards
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Post by meltdown on Jul 10, 2009 22:03:48 GMT
I have to agree with the above. There's no substitute for cubes as the saying goes.
The whole point of this championship is the 1 litre formula.
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Post by swifty on Jul 11, 2009 19:30:04 GMT
Ditto.
A litre is a litre is a litre. I think there's a poem in that somewhere!!
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Post by clanisalotus on Jul 17, 2009 17:22:36 GMT
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Post by limjamrace on Jul 17, 2009 20:43:55 GMT
Don't give up so easily Peter K!
Come 2011 and they maybe begging us to enter!!
Me in a forced induction car and you with a 1040cc engine!
Come to think of it as you have a 875 to boot then how about this....
All Clans G15's and especially Davrains should be limited to 875cc
Only fair due to the lower centre of gravity and less weight and frontal area!!
If that comes to be then i'll build a 999.9 cc engine especially for 100/1000...Only fair!!
Can't see that guy with 5 big stars having that though cos he's got a ...Davrian!!
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Post by clanisalotus on Jul 18, 2009 11:58:03 GMT
^^^^ Games-up! How did you know it was mee! ;D I suppose my thinking was, as this is a start-up venture, then it should be a little bit more relaxed and inclusive to get things going...and whilst there might be a small power advantage with plus 40 ccs, for me there is even more disincentive to run an 875 with an 123 cc deficit and a std bottom end....and I'm already committed to spend money on the current fairly well-developed 1040 at the moment. Nevermind, I'm not going to lose any sleep over the problem.  |
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Post by turboclan on Jul 23, 2009 15:34:55 GMT
Hi, As the username suggests, i've got a turbocharged Clan i use in hillclimbs and sprints and i think that as others have said, stick to 1000cc limit. I built the turbo engine to compete with 1400cc cars, realising a long time ago that 998cc is not enough. In hillclimbs there is an equivalency factor of 1.4 so its makes sense. If i was trying to beat 1400cc turbocharged cars where would I be. In racing i think the equivalency factor is 1.7 so the equivalent would be 588cc turbo/supercharged, or even at 1.4 it would be 715cc.
Maybe allowing the smaller engined cars (Smarts who have a turbo anyway, reliants and others) to turbocharge makes sense but allowing 1000cc turboed and supercharged cars to compete with 1000cc N/A doesn't make much sense. I'm getting more power out of my 875 turbo than my old 998 n/a in the first year of running it so there is loads more potential to come, whereas most race N/A engines have reached there ceiling .
My 2 p worth
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Post by meltdown on Jul 24, 2009 20:33:48 GMT
How refreshing it is to see such a posting (c/o Turboclan) from someone who runs a turbo! From my position, i.e. actively looking for a race car, I wouldn't want to spend a small fortune on something that: a - wouldn't necessarily be eligible for any other race series, and b - might then be legislated against in this series should I go down the turbo route.
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